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Sustain pedal working in fade out like a keyboard 11 months 5 days ago #13

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Fernando Bandeira wrote:
.. I have a Yamaha PSR-S650 keyboard that in some organ sounds they fade out, so they detect the notes off. Maybe you can turn one control into another, like CC64 to CC67 or disable....

Triggering notes and pedal function in PSR650 is the same as in each other keyboard. There is no separate recognition of note-off.

PSR-S650 use some organ sounds envelope with high value of Delay and with value zero of Sustain - but PSR650 also works with pedal in same manner as described from ziyametedemircan.

Some keyboards use oscillator trigger modes that sets a delay time from the note-on to the real beginning of the sound, so with KeyOff the sound begin when note-off occurs (eg useful to create sounds such as the “click” that is heard when a harpsichord note is released).
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Sustain pedal working in fade out like a keyboard 10 months 3 weeks ago #14

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siebenhirter wrote:
Fernando Bandeira wrote:
.. I have a Yamaha PSR-S650 keyboard that in some organ sounds they fade out, so they detect the notes off. Maybe you can turn one control into another, like CC64 to CC67 or disable....

Triggering notes and pedal function in PSR650 is the same as in each other keyboard. There is no separate recognition of note-off.

PSR-S650 use some organ sounds envelope with high value of Delay and with value zero of Sustain - but PSR650 also works with pedal in same manner as described from ziyametedemircan.

Some keyboards use oscillator trigger modes that sets a delay time from the note-on to the real beginning of the sound, so with KeyOff the sound begin when note-off occurs (eg useful to create sounds such as the “click” that is heard when a harpsichord note is released).

So, Is Note-off and KeyOff differents? How to interact it with the sustain pedal to fade out?
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Sustain pedal working in fade out like a keyboard 10 months 3 weeks ago #15

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Fernando Bandeira wrote:
.. Note-off and KeyOff differents? How to interact it with the sustain pedal to fade out?

Note-off (=Key-off) message do not interact with CC#64, because Midi-messages are sent independently, but by default they both affect the envelopes (ADSR ) of sounds as mentioned from ziyametedemircan.

Attack-Phase starts with Note-On, Release-Phase begins with Note-Off and Sustain-On is configured by default for pressing the pedal will hold the sound on the actual level until sustain-off.

Always keep in mind Attack, Decay and Release are parameters of time, whereas Sustain is a level.
If an organ sound is featured with low value of decay time and high values sustain-level and release time, each note of such a sound will fade out in release-phase after note-off. That may happend in release-phase even if sustain-on has been pressed meanwhile, but this does not mean notes in release-phase will recognize additional note-off even though sustain-on was pressed, but will fade-out because of its high parameter of release-time.

Believe in ziyametedemircan ---> What the pedal triggers is a built-in MIDI function: "suspend all 'sound-off' orders until a 'hold-off' message is ordered. And when get the 'hold-off' message, send to 'note-off' messages to all suspended/sustained keys, except those already pressed (the keys that not send a "note-off" message yet)."
kind regards, siebenhirter, using polyphone 1.9
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